One problem here is that there's no way to tell what distance you need to be from what. The player trying to go overt won't be able to see overt players in the area, as a result he won't be able to tell if his command will work, nor will he be able to see where he'd have to go in order to make the command work.

In addition to that there is the potential problem of preventing players from going overt simply by following them. A plan like 'we should all meet at the station and go overt together' could be prevented by one enemy player.

The heart of the problem is that having a command that'll only work, based on conditions that the player cannot monitor or track tend to lead to a huge amount of frustration and confusion.

Brontez wrote:

Kosree wrote:

Brontez wrote:

Again, this system promotes you going overt at a distance, which pretty much addresses 95% of the concerns of GS pilots and event promoters, the most vocal group of detractors in the last couple of threads.

The ability for the ints to intercept and keep someone from going over behind "enemy lines" is part of the functionality of the proposal, it helps keep people from excessivly griefing PvP events, and actually helps PvP in general, keeping people from "fake flanking" instead of taking the actual risk of hooking around enemy players while overt.

 

It's basically the best compromise to the two sides of the argument we've been haing that we're going to come up with, short of simply chosing PvP or PvE from the launch terminal on the ground.

You still have not convinced me that this system can't be used against coverts trying to go overt to help their side.

If they are FORCED to not be able to engage, you're doing the same thing.

 

 

TBH, they're not forced to do anything. Go overt at a distance and it won't be a problem. If an int is buzzing you it doesn't really do him any good, he can't shoot you and if it's an event he's a wasted asset.

Basically, it promotes pilots in the situation you're describing going overt as soon as they respawn or launch and join the fight, rather than waiting to go overt when it provides an unfair advantage.

One problem here is that there's no way to tell what distance you need to be from what. The player trying to go overt won't be able to see overt players in the area, as a result he won't be able to tell if his command will work, nor will he be able to see where he'd have to go in order to make the command work.

In addition to that there is the potential problem of preventing players from going overt simply by following them. A plan like 'we should all meet at the station and go overt together' could be prevented by one enemy player.

The heart of the problem is that having a command that'll only work, based on conditions that the player cannot monitor or track tend to lead to a huge amount of frustration and confusion.

The way the ability works right now is that you can abort the command within the first 15 seconds by speeding up to over 100. However 15 seconds marks the 'point of no return'.

Drez_Mernik wrote:

Maxx6 wrote:

Will there be any sort of abort command like there is for hyperspace should a pilot decide that this location is too dangerous to continue going overt?

Also I think a 30 second "snare" would be better as it would give a decent buffer for an opponent to create some distance while leaving you 15 seconds to get evasive and get ready for a fight.

I will say that this idea has promise and definitely worth testing.

This.

 

And Bacon you need to respond to your tells in-game. Stop forum drama-ing.

 

The way the ability works right now is that you can abort the command within the first 15 seconds by speeding up to over 100. However 15 seconds marks the 'point of no return'.

The speed limit (it's essentially a requirement to stand still) is there to make sure that other ships in the area have a fair chance to gain some distance.

Basically, when 'you' press the button, other players (who are paying attention), will now have a chance to make sure you are not right behind them. Once the 15 seconds are up there's a 30 seconds 'free for all' where both players can try to run, prepare to jump or try to gain a good position before either play is able to attack one another.

willym wrote:

hmm complicated, but uh,  /first or whatever. 

not quite sure i understand the need for the 15 second speed limit .  its a little 'hokey pokey' if ya ask me....

 

The speed limit (it's essentially a requirement to stand still) is there to make sure that other ships in the area have a fair chance to gain some distance.

Basically, when 'you' press the button, other players (who are paying attention), will now have a chance to make sure you are not right behind them. Once the 15 seconds are up there's a 30 seconds 'free for all' where both players can try to run, prepare to jump or try to gain a good position before either play is able to attack one another.

After some tinkering here's how the ability works now. I expect that this is how it will work when we go to TC / TC-Prime.

- You can still use the old space stations. They remain unchanged (With their 30 sec. delay from declaring to being flagged).

- It takes 45 seconds to go SF with the command.

- When the command is activated you're 'dot' will blink on other radars. It will continue until you're either flagged as Special Forces or until the command is aborted.

- If you move at more than 100 speed during the first 15 seconds, the command will abort (You can restart the command again with no cool down). 

- After the first 15 seconds, the movement restriction is removed. For the remaining 30 seconds you can move freely.

Feel free to comment, but please try to leave the personal attacks behind

After some tinkering here's how the ability works now. I expect that this is how it will work when we go to TC / TC-Prime.

- You can still use the old space stations. They remain unchanged (With their 30 sec. delay from declaring to being flagged).

- It takes 45 seconds to go SF with the command.

- When the command is activated you're 'dot' will blink on other radars. It will continue until you're either flagged as Special Forces or until the command is aborted.

- If you move at more than 100 speed during the first 15 seconds, the command will abort (You can restart the command again with no cool down). 

- After the first 15 seconds, the movement restriction is removed. For the remaining 30 seconds you can move freely.

Feel free to comment, but please try to leave the personal attacks behind

I mentioned that briefly some time back. Basically I found that most of the Nova Orion mobs had very reasonable drop rates while a few had really low drop rates. I've raised those really low ones up to a 'normal' level.

Good luck with the cap Myikul

clonecenter-resident wrote:

CQ wrote:

Stats are kind of beside the point, everyone should be waiting to see what happens with GU16 before RE'ing anything, especially if there is a stat you are humming and hawing over. With standard drop rates being brought up to par with the Orion's, token based loot generators and the inevitable "buzz" that will come in the weeks that follow it would be kind of foolish not to see what happens first.

Could you provide a link, quote, or source for this please?  I like to think i'm reasonably well informed and up to date on current events but i haven't heard a single word of this.

I mentioned that briefly some time back. Basically I found that most of the Nova Orion mobs had very reasonable drop rates while a few had really low drop rates. I've raised those really low ones up to a 'normal' level.

Good luck with the cap Myikul

Hi everyone! I just wanted to add a note to ask you all to read the Galactic Showcase Submission/Badge Info and Archive.

We have a large bank of submissions in our inbox, and it just keeps growing. Please understand that if yours hasn't been chosen, it's not personal. We just have more than we can use.

On the same note, please try to hold back on the negative criticism.  Remember your grandmother's old cliche, "If you can't say anything nice..."  We're all different and are allowed to have different opinions.  If you don't like the one that was posted, either congratulate them and move on, or just save your comments for one that you like. Constructive feedback is fine, but being rude isn't.

Thanks! And happy decorating!

PS - It was a total coincidence that when I unstickied last week's post, I noticed that this week's featured home was mentioned. Complete coincidence. Please don't think that's the way to get your home featured. Luck was on TimeLorde's side this time, hehe. That, and I believe that closed out my outstanding February submissions.

Hi everyone! I just wanted to add a note to ask you all to read the Galactic Showcase Submission/Badge Info and Archive.

We have a large bank of submissions in our inbox, and it just keeps growing. Please understand that if yours hasn't been chosen, it's not personal. We just have more than we can use.

On the same note, please try to hold back on the negative criticism.  Remember your grandmother's old cliche, "If you can't say anything nice..."  We're all different and are allowed to have different opinions.  If you don't like the one that was posted, either congratulate them and move on, or just save your comments for one that you like. Constructive feedback is fine, but being rude isn't.

Thanks! And happy decorating!

PS - It was a total coincidence that when I unstickied last week's post, I noticed that this week's featured home was mentioned. Complete coincidence. Please don't think that's the way to get your home featured. Luck was on TimeLorde's side this time, hehe. That, and I believe that closed out my outstanding February submissions.

Vector Droid Engineering - Factory Installation

Although semi-retired, Aphelia lets her very own 'Operational Droid Factory' run 24-7 churning out recently obsolete Droidekas to continue to fill a long standing order from a mysterious, self-described, "Free Range Droid Activist" working on Lok...

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Location: Keren, Naboo
Waypoint: Starsider
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Executive Engineer: Aphelia
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Vector Droid Engineering - Factory Installation

Although semi-retired, Aphelia lets her very own 'Operational Droid Factory' run 24-7 churning out recently obsolete Droidekas to continue to fill a long standing order from a mysterious, self-described, "Free Range Droid Activist" working on Lok...

Quick Facts:
Name: Vector Droid Engineering - Factory Installation
Location: Keren, Naboo
Waypoint: Starsider
Server: Chimaera-European
Admission Fee: None
Executive Engineer: Aphelia
Facility Designer: Quram
Forum Handle: TimeLorde

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I spent a while looking over bugs and ones I thought I could fix.  I saw those two and was thinking it would be easy to fix them, only to find out that they weren't bugs.

The top bug list in this forum all are bugs that are either a) not possible for me to fix or b) would take more time than I have scheduled to fix.

NeeEarth wrote:

Haven't seen a 'red name' post on the BM Forums (besides Draakull of course) in a very long time (since the great Loche maybe? ) .

It's nice to see, and speaking for myself only: I for one appreciate it (even though u still haven't answered my PM...hehe /tease) .

/pep BM 'fixes' (as soon as realistically possible)

Thanks for posting Hanse, and please don't be a stranger 'round this nerf-of-the-woods...errr i mean: neck-of-the-woods.

I spent a while looking over bugs and ones I thought I could fix.  I saw those two and was thinking it would be easy to fix them, only to find out that they weren't bugs.

The top bug list in this forum all are bugs that are either a) not possible for me to fix or b) would take more time than I have scheduled to fix.

It was also mentioned that Spit 1-5 do not have any difference.  This is incorrect.  The damage amounts increase each level.  No issues with the Spit attacks have been found.

HanseSOE wrote:

I do not have a link to where it was mentioned, but someone mentioned that nerfs are supposed to have a 'kick' attack.

 

Nerfs are not in the horse category for special commands.  Nerfs use the goat category and can have the specials 'charge' and 'slash'.  The horse category has 'bite' and 'kick'.

 

Just wanted to clear this up that this is not a bug.

It was also mentioned that Spit 1-5 do not have any difference.  This is incorrect.  The damage amounts increase each level.  No issues with the Spit attacks have been found.

I do not have a link to where it was mentioned, but someone mentioned that nerfs are supposed to have a 'kick' attack.

Nerfs are not in the horse category for special commands.  Nerfs use the goat category and can have the specials 'charge' and 'slash'.  The horse category has 'bite' and 'kick'.

Just wanted to clear this up that this is not a bug.

I do not have a link to where it was mentioned, but someone mentioned that nerfs are supposed to have a 'kick' attack.

Nerfs are not in the horse category for special commands.  Nerfs use the goat category and can have the specials 'charge' and 'slash'.  The horse category has 'bite' and 'kick'.

Just wanted to clear this up that this is not a bug.